On Wednesday, former Daily Wire editor Ben Shapiro met down with his old enemy turned buddy Piers Morgan to discuss, among other things, workerism, gay marriage, and the next presidential election in 2024.
During Wednesday’s broadcast of “Piers Morgan Uncensored,” Shapiro appeared alongside Morgan, 10 years after their first tense meeting on television. The two occasionally discussed, debated, and joked with one another. That encounter in 2013 was a watershed point in the careers of both men; Morgan canceled his CNN show shortly thereafter, while Shapiro became a household name.
Shapiro, now 39 and wearing a beard, joked about having “reached puberty” since their initial meeting, while Morgan, now 57, claimed Shapiro was “a hell of a lot sharper than you seemed” and had the upper hand in their first encounter.
Morgan and Shapiro talked about a tweet that has been at the top of Shapiro’s Twitter page since 2016 and which reads, “Facts don’t care about your feelings,” as the discussion swiftly transitioned to more serious topics. According to Shapiro, the replacement of objective truth with a strong sense of autonomy has given rise to what conservatives call “conscious cancel culture.”
This transition is unprecedented in human history, according to Shapiro: “the moment that you start to associate ‘your truth’ with ‘the truth,’ then anybody opposing your truth is assaulting you as a human being.” “We’ve moved on from the days when it was acceptable to hold a political discussion in the presence of alcohol,” the author writes. That’s the most important thing to me: that people understand that my politics reflect who I am and how I feel about myself and the world.
The topic meandered from politicians’ lies to the tribalism that drives most American politics, which Shapiro blamed on an “emotivism” that leads individuals to believe in politics based on their feelings rather than facts.
Morgan, who places himself politically on the center-left, claims to have changed his perspective concerning popular culture as a result of the rise of leftist ideas.
Never before did I consider myself a conservative, but the more extreme the Left becomes, the more the pendulum swings. As Morgan put it, “eventually we all get pulled into believing that, oh, yeah, actually be compared to this, I probably am growing a bit conservative because I think they’re lunatics.”
As Shapiro put it, the guys agreed that “some kind of normalcy” is what most people are looking for right now.
During the conversation, the topic of homosexual marriage sparked the most heated debate.
There’s no reason why a homosexual couple can’t raise a child. And why not, if they feel like it? Justify your reasoning for excluding them. That was a question Morgan put to his company.
Separating the issues of homosexual marriage and gay parenting, Shapiro first tackled the former. On the topic of homosexual marriage, Shapiro claimed that the government should uphold the traditional definition of marriage as a matter of public policy.
When asked about his opposition to laws that prohibit gay conduct or two guys living together or two men making a lifetime commitment to one another in whatever environment they desire to do that, Shapiro stated, “The question is which relationships society chooses to sanctify.” “What I have a problem with is the concept that the term marriage can be used equally to describe a union between two people who love one other and a pair who are primarily interested in having children and raising them,” the author writes.
For Shapiro, “there are sort of hierarchies of alternatives” when it comes to homosexual parenting, with “man, woman, child” being the optimum configuration. If you’re not able to achieve perfection, then there are certain levels of achievement. As opposed to, say, an orphanage, I’d like to see a child raised by two homosexual males.
Morgan followed up with a query as to whether or not homosexuals “should have the same rights in law [as] straight couples.”
By distinguishing between rights and advantages, Shapiro effectively argued that a homosexual man is not prevented from establishing a relationship with the person of his choice because of his orientation (heterosexual marriage).
Morgan said that he knows of both good and negative instances of parenting from straight and homosexual couples. The parentage of his children made no difference in his eyes.
With a simple “I do,” Shapiro confirmed his agreement. Again, I believe there is a fundamental difference between women and men, and that implies that both moms and dads are essential in a healthy society. Hence, the concept that two men can replace a man and a woman in most situations is, in my opinion, not accurate.
The topic then shifted to the upcoming presidential election in 2024, with Morgan inquiring as to Shapiro’s assessment of the current landscape. According to Shapiro, current President Joe Biden will face off against Florida Governor and Republican frontrunner Ron DeSantis in the next general election.
DeSantis in Florida, “when [Republicans] look at the board, is the person who is putting the most Ws on the board right now,” Shapiro added.
Toward the end of the conversation, Morgan asked Shapiro what he sees that makes him optimistic about the future.
The good news I bring is twofold. One is that the hegemony of the United States and Britain has not ended. To be sure, the developments in Ukraine are encouraging, since they imply the post-World War II system is far from dead. I also like that I tend to favor reality. The truth always emerges victorious. There will be repercussions for the forces we have unleashed, Shapiro said, since they are colliding head-on with reality.